One of the first question's most people ask before deciding to go on a trek like Munich to Venice is 'can I do it?'.
To be honest I had a bit of a 'discussion' on this issue with Cicerone who felt that only the experienced should attempt a walk across the Alps. The trouble was this didn't fit with the sort of people I met on my transalpine journey many of whom had never done a long distance hike before. All sorts of walkers were doing the trip: lots of young people with very little money; lots of older people, particularly the recently retired on their first post-work adventure; and, as well as couples, lots of single people, including solo women. It wasn't hiking experience that these people had in common, it was a sense of adventure.
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A sense of adventure the key requirement |
Ludwig Grassler designed the Munich to Venice route for any 'able-bodied walker'. You do however need to be reasonably fit and have a head for heights. It's a 30 days walk and you'll be carrying around seven kilogrammes for around seven hours climbing an average of 1000 metres a day. There are also some exposed stretches of walking although these are invariably supported by cables.
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Cables everywhere it's tough |
In addition to a sense of adventure, reasonable level of fitness and a head for heights, you also need to be sensible. Walking at 2000 metres in the sunshine is one thing, walking in a summer thunderstorm or even snow is another. As well as waterproofs, warm clothes and the ability to navigate when visibility is low (a smartphone loaded with GPS in a waterproof container) you need to know your limitations, take weather advice and act accordingly.
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Summer in the Alps! |
What makes the Munich to Venice accessible to a wide range of walkers is the hiking infrastructure. On the alpine stretch, more than two-thirds of the total route, accommodation is available is mountain huts (like youth hostels) which mean's camping experience isn't necessary, loads are light and, if the weather is bad, there is somewhere safe to stay. The routes are well marked, getting lost is relatively difficult, and the exposed stretches, as mentioned already, have ladders and cables by way of assistance. When it comes to helping ordinary walkers go to extraordinary places nowhere in the world compares to the Alps.
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Mountain huts everywhere - the Karwendal Haus |
So don't be put off, if you have a sense of adventure and want to do something special, then next summer get on a plane to Munich, find the Marienplatz and start walking south.
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Thair Abud
Hello John. I recently came upon your post regarding the Carnic way along the Via Alpina. It was the most informative piece of info on the hike and showcases the stunning scenery we are hoping to enjoy.I am hoping that you will contact me regarding the stretch between the Neue Porze hut and the Hochweissteinhaus. We are planning to hike the Carnic way in july 2017. We are both in our 50's, fit and have hiked the Alta Via one. We are concerned about the 'exposure' on the above stretch of the Carnic Way and hope you could expand on that for us. Many thanks I hope to hear from you!
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DeleteI'm currently writing a guide for the KH so know it really well. There are a couple of cable assisted stretches one of which pulls you up a short chimney but it's really not difficult. For the last hour you can either go straight across the valley or take a contouring route round it, go straight across the valley! The day is the best day on the whole KH, and definitely not to be missed.
Hello, I have been looking for a guide for the Carnic way and not found one - when will yours be ready? We have a two week window in September (weekend to weekend to include flights and travel out and back) and were hoping to come up with appropriate starting and finishing points to make full use of the time available (12-13 days walking) I just wondered if from your knowledge of the terrain and research for the guide whether any itinerary springs to mind? (We have recently done the GR10 and GR52/GR5 so used to full days). Also if you knew of any web sites that might help - (getting to grips with the red Via Alpina one but not obvious where to start and finish) We should be grateful for any input at all - cheers! Jane
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DeleteMy guide will be out next year. You can definitely walk the whole walk in 2 weeks starting at Sillian and finishing at Arnoldstein. There are however lots of options,lots of local variants and plenty of different ways off the walk.
John
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI will do Munich To Venice trek with friends (without a guide), on august. In the book with the reference: CICERONE, they said about charges "A reasonable rule of thumb is to budget 50 euros a day". I precise that it's not an organized trek. So for me 50euros a day is very expensive. Please, do you know how much is the price of the hostel (without eat in)?
Thank you in advance.
Fariza
Hi Fariza
DeleteGlad you've chosen to hike Munich to Venice, it's a great trek and you will enjoy it. Rates do vary a bit but if you join the Alpine club you get half rate on a place in the dormitory which is usually around 12 euros. Expect to pay extra for a shower and some alpine huts even charge for charging the phone. It's the same everywhere in the Alps I'm afraid, it's not a cheap place to hike. Half-board is usually around 30 euros and you will probably get away with making a sandwich for lunch if your careful.
Have a great trip and send me some photos.
John
Hi John - I have purchased your book (Trekking Munich to Venice) and I am very happy with it.
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1) Do you need to bring cash along for the walk or will a credit card do?
2) How do you get water along the route? Only at huts or are there plenty of pure water streams?
Cheers,
Michael
Michael, your in for a treat!
DeletePersonally I would take cash and a credit card. Most huts accept credit cards but there are also little farms and other places that want cash.
You can fill up at the huts for water but chunks of the trip are through limestone and I can't remember which one, but even the hut sells bottled water.
Some of the streams will be OK but there's a lot of glacial gritty water in the streams.
It looks like the passes will have snow until quite late this year, so something to watch out for.
Send me some pics!
John - thanks a bunch for your quick reply.
ReplyDeleteWhere do you read about the passes having snow? I am considering going from July 14th to August 4th - starting my hike from Hall on the 15th of July. Is that a no go this year you recon?
Cheers,
Michael
If snow is there late will it perhaps make better sense to start out from Venice?
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DeleteI think it would be very unusual if snow blocked the passes as late as mid-July onwards. I would stick with your plans and get the latest information when you get there. If the worse comes to worse there are always ways round the passes. The worse pass is probably the one in the Karwendel where, because the pass is north facing, the snow lingers longest, and your missing that by starting in Hall
John
Hi John: I’ve just bought your cicerone book and hope to do the whole walk along the Carnic Trail next year. I have a question about section 4a which appears the most challenging cable section. I’m a little elderly, 68, but comfortable enough with scrambling at the level of say, striding edge in the Lakes or Highland Munroes, but have no real experience of assisted routes. I did the Tour de Mont Blanc this year and was happy enough with the section of cables and ladders on that. Are the cable sections on this walk of a comparable level? I’ve been doing a bit of reading up on via ferratas and some look a bit scary. For example would I need to take a harness and via ferrata set for this walk? Are there any cable bridges? I had a large pack with camping gear on the TMB but would travel lighter on this one with no tent.
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Richard McGuinness
Hi Richard
DeleteThanks for buying the book and I'm sure you'll enjoy the hike.
I haven't done all of the TMB so can't draw a direct comparison but no you don't need to take a via ferrata set for section 4a. There is a ladder at the beginning that takes you up through a chimney and after that cables are there to assist as you traverse your way up an otherwise very steep slope. I'm not a climber, have almost no climbing experience, so what made this section special for me was the extent of the cable. I've done it twice - once with a woman I had met the day before and who wanted to share her first trip and once with my wife (she was 67 at the time). It's a well maintained route and when I last did it the cables were in excellent condition. It's south facing, there shouldn't be any snow to contend with and, providing you don't attempt it in bad weather, the light should be could. It is spectacular and the hut at the end of the stage is amazing.
Hope that helps but feel free to ask any further questions
John
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteI bought the guide for Munich to Venice and have spent the weekend getting very enthusiastic. As a young man I spent time walking and climbing in the Zilartal Alps, but my youth and climbing days are a long way behind me now. I am confident I am fit enough for the walk especially with judicious use of cable cars and I'll put up with crowded huts, but the nature of the "black" routes gives me concern. How difficult are they? What is the risk of an accident? and what is the jeopardy? I walked the length of the John Muir Trail in the High Sierra recently which had high passes and late snow. Just how serious are the black routes?
Hi Alex
DeleteThere are stretches of exposed trail, the black routes, where a missed footing could result in a serious accident. The most exposed stretches have cables and ladders. Munich to Venice follows well trodden routes, easier to follow I suspect than the John Muir Trail, but accidents do happen and indeed a walker fell to his death last year on his first day in the mountains proper. The Alps are far and away the world's most popular and best resourced mountain walking destination and thousands of people enjoy them every year. Munich to Venice utilises existing routes but it is not without its risks.
John
Dear John, just started to read Munich to Venice which my husband and I will do next year and have a query also about assessing my suitability for the most challenging exposed areas. I hadnt thought I was afraid of heights until I did a high walk about 3400m (Asunta Pass Georgia) and realised I was probably better suited to stay at just under 3000 due to altitude effects. But while this walk was steep and high there was no need for cable rails to hold on. My question is this - how long on average (in distance and which is the longest) are the exposed stretches where fear of heights kick in? If they are shorter I can probably stomach it .. are we talking more than say 50-100m metres of exposed rockface? I understand from reading your responses that you cant answer for everyone but I think being well prepared (which I wasnt for Asunta) helps in psychological element which is often what it is all about! Thx in anticipation! Sue
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DeleteGlad to hear about your interest in Munich to Venice. As I've mentioned already I'm a bit nervous about advice on this as people do react to heights and exposure in different ways.
All the exposed bits have cables or ladders and as I far as I can recall none of these involve stretches as long as 100m, or anywhere near. Generally speaking it's more like 10m.
Perhaps the most challenging bit is the descent from the pass on 11a completed after the short glacier stretch. I did it with my wife when there was quite a lot of snow and we were fine although a bit nervous because chamois were bouncing around above us. There is an alternative route but it's not as nice.
If you need any further info then please get in touch again.
Remember there are some steep non-supported descents and ascents and traverses of steep scree which involve no scrambling but will be demanding if you are nervous.
John,
ReplyDeleteI’m intending to walk for two weeks in september this year and am tossing up between doing either the northern half of the Munich-Venice or the Carnic Way. I’ve done long walks in europe in the recent past (Gr5, 21, Swiss Alpine Passes, Adlerweg) as well as in much backcountry Australia/NZ. Which walk do you think would be best in late season?
Hi John
DeleteIf it's the first 2-3 weeks of September both routes should be fine, probably the best time to do it from a weather point of view. A good test is whether or not the huts are still open, they do start to shut towards the end of the month.
If you have just two weeks, and want to make the best use of your time, you could miss the first couple of days of the MV, out of Munich, start at Bad Tolz and then you could get to Pfunders and away. You could do the whole of the Carnic Way but the best bit is the first alpine part so it might not be such a good use of your time.
I'm walking the Berlinerhohenweg at the beginning of September, a very high alpine walk and it overlaps with the MV near the Olpererhutte, and all the huts are open.
If you do the MV please be careful on the stretch to Tutzinger Hutte (could be your first day), take the low level open if you're at all nervous or if the weather is bad.
Have a great trip
John
I had not intended to do the munich -bad tolz and belluno- venezia sections anyway. As luck would have it, I seem to have just enough time to walk from bad tolz to belluno based on your stage timings. It does not leave me any slack so, if I have weather delays then I will just exit earlier and take train or bus to Treviso so that I can meet my wife in Palma. Many thanks for your helpful advice. John
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