The E4 is one of a network of 11 long distance paths (soon to be 12) developed by the European Ramblers Association (the ERA), an association made up of walking groups from across the continent. Like all the routes, the E4 joins up national long distance trails into an international pathway which grew as the membership and ambition of the ERA expanded. Initially the E4 went from the Pyrenees to the Neisiedler See in Austria, was then extended into Spain and Hungary and now goes all the way down through the Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Crete and Cyprus.
In 2011, starting in March, I walked from Tarifa in Spain to Budapest in Hungary along the E4. It was an amazing journey and as far as I can tell I was the first person to complete this particular walk.
So why choose the E4?
So why choose the E4?
In Europe you benefit from two unique legacies.
Firstly the footpaths themselves are nearly all superimposed on
Roman Road on the E4 near Ubrique |
Hotel Chasseron on the Jura Howenweg in Switzerland |
Both legacies make long distance walking in Europe special. You can go to wild and wonderful places, not see anyone all day, but spend your evenings indoors with other walkers. You can go from place to place, experience not just the variety of landscape but also different styles of accommodation and food.
I love this type of walking and given the enormous choice in Europe choosing a trail for a six month hike wasn’t easy. I ended up with the E4 because, as well providing the mix of landscapes and cultures common to lots of routes, it madeit possible avoid extremes of weather. It took me through six different countries, a whole series of stunning national parks, and let me stay in isolated refuges, small villages, towns and cities. Choosing the E4 meant I could start walking early in the year and follow the spring as it moved up through Europe avoiding the heat in Spain and the snow in the Pyrenees and the Alps.
I love this type of walking and given the enormous choice in Europe choosing a trail for a six month hike wasn’t easy. I ended up with the E4 because, as well providing the mix of landscapes and cultures common to lots of routes, it made
So what did I get with the E4.
Starting on the Atlantic Coast at the southern tip of Spain I started a journey that took me through some of Europe's most stunning scenery.
I crossed Andalucia through a series of national parks choosing northern of two options in the middle. The northern option avoids the higher parts of the Sierra
The walk through Murcia, was about 300 km long and took me through the spine of the province, from west to east, and includes the landscapes of the Spanish high plateau and the fertile plain of the river Segura.
The transition from Murcia to Valencia was a bit
So far the E4 had been tracking the route of the GR7, Spain's oldest long distance footpath but in Catalonia it headed down to the coast and along
Montserrat |
After two months in Spain I was crossing the Pyrenees into France. The weather was terrible in the Pyrenees but perfect in Cathar countryside immediately to the north. Great walking and the abandoned Cathar castles give the countryside a special spooky feel.
The walk through France along the southern and then eastern edge of the Massif Central was wonderful. Particularly enjoyed the hot days through the Cevennes and even the wet days through the Ardeche. At times the scrub oak and long stretches of coniferous woodland became a bit tedious, particularly the bits either side of the Rhone Valley, but once into the Vercors the scenery and views improved. More huge limestone countryside with its characteristic cliffs and gorges interspersed with beautiful little towns and wonderful food.
Took a few days rest and recuperation at Grenoble before the last French stretch through the Charteuse and the French Jura. Some long but memorable days.
The Swiss part of the walk was really easy. The first part was along 180km ridge walk known as the the Chemin des Crêtes du Jura, or, once into German speaking Switzerland the Jura Howenweg. The route connects Geneva with Zurich, tracks along the ridge to the north of the wide east west valley running through Switzerland and, when the weather is good, provides absolutely unbelievable views of the Alps to the south. It takes a day to cross from the Jura Howenweg to the south bank of the Rhine and then three days to walk along the sourthern shore of Lake Constance to Bregenz. Love walking in Switzerland, everything really is well organised , just a shame it's so expensive.
After Bregenz it's Alpine walking proper and there are two options; the first takes you along the "nordalpenweg 01" and the second along the "nordaplenweg 04". I sliced and diced, choosing the 04 through Baveria along the "Maximilianweg" to Strasburg and then heading south and joining the 01 at Spital a Pryn. This was a more direct route to Budapest and the 04 involves slightly less climb than the 01. Must say I'm a big fan of Austrian Alpine walking, the Austrians love their walking and it's well organised . Staying in the mountain huts is a really special experience and I can't wait to do it again.
Once out of the mountains and into the relatively flat eastern part of Austria things started to fall apart in terms waymarks . I guess for the Austrians, with so much choice, they just don't bother with the less interesting bits (unlike the Swiss who sign-posted everything). It wasn't until I got into Hungary and onto the "Blue Way" that things started to get organised again. After bad weather through Austria the sun came out and I hit Hungary in a heat wave but as most of the walk was through a canopy of oak, ash and beech trees I escaped the worst of the heat. Had been a bit nervous about accommodation in Hungary, not least because of warnings from Hungarians, but it turned out to be very good and great value. After six months walking I perhaps rushed Hungary a bit although enjoyed the last three weeks of the walk, particularly the last day into Budapest a great deal.
As well as stunning scenery you get the chance to stay in Austrian Hutte , a fairly unique experience. The Austrian part of the walk is 1100 km.
Following the tradition of walks that represent the best of what each country has to offer the E4 follows the route of the "Blue Way", Hungary's No 1 walking experience.
Below are links to posts I did before the walk started. Over the next few months will take these down and produce an updated commentary on what each stage was actually like.
Stage 5 - E4 through Catalonia
Stage 6 - The E4 from the Pyrenees to Carcassone
Stage 7 - The E4 from Carcassone to Lodeve
Stage 8 - The E4 through the Cevennes and the Ardeche
Stage 9 - The E4 through the Vercors to Grenoble
Stage 10 - The E4 from Grenoble to the Swiss Border
Stage 11 - E4 through Switzerland
Stage 12 - Maximiliansweg, the E4 through Bavaria
Stage 13 - The E4 through Eastern Austria
Stage 6 - The E4 from the Pyrenees to Carcassone
Stage 7 - The E4 from Carcassone to Lodeve
Stage 8 - The E4 through the Cevennes and the Ardeche
Stage 9 - The E4 through the Vercors to Grenoble
Stage 10 - The E4 from Grenoble to the Swiss Border
Stage 11 - E4 through Switzerland
Stage 12 - Maximiliansweg, the E4 through Bavaria
Stage 13 - The E4 through Eastern Austria
Stage 14 - The E4 from Koszeg to Budapest
If you wantsee the route on maps then have a look at The E4 revisited - my journey in GPX, this provides links to my Viewranger page where details of the route can be displayed and downloaded
If you want
For a description of a recent journey along the E4 have a look at "Six Pairs of Boot: Spain to Cyprus on E4 Trail" by John Pucknell.
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteI want to congratulate you for your amazing website that provides wonderful insights in the beauty of walking along the E4.
Having walked some parts of the E4 myself (an still continuing to do so) I know what I am talking about and can share your fascination. Having no time to do it all in one peace, I take three or four weeks off every two years and continue my path. I started in Bregenz in 2006, arrived in Villefort in 2010, and next summer I intend to carry on until Carcassonne. Check out my blog for details: http://klausreitberger.wordpress.com/meine-reisen/
Greetings from Austria,
Klaus
As soon as I have the money together to live for 6-8 months walking, I'm going off on my own travels across Europe. If I start in Spain I will most likely be tempted to walk the Camino de Santiago, so it will be from the South up to the North-West, then back East to France (possibly going backwards along the Northern coast - also a Camino route).
ReplyDeleteHowever, I'm in 2 minds, I originally planned to start from Budapest, walking to Spain, back through France and up North to England (where I live) to complete my journey. I may decide to walk a little farther out, Istanbul maybe.
Would love to hear any advice you can give
Hi Joe
DeleteNice to hear from you.
The big consideration for me was seasons and where you can walk when. It's too hot to walk in Spain in the summer and you have to be seriously hard core to cross the Alps in the winter. The Alpine walking season is from June until the end of September.
I chose the the E4 because I could start early and reach the Alps in good time to get across them before there was any risk of snow.
Sounds like you have a mega adventure in mind - best of luck
John
Hi John
ReplyDeleteJust found your blog and am looking forward to reading all your E4 entries. I'm a keen walker with plans to attempt the GR10 one day in the future.
Cheers
Martin
Hi Martin
DeleteNice to hear from you Martin. Did a bit of the GR10 when I was on the E4, it's a great walk, tough one though, best of luck!
John
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteI'm a PE teacher from Spain ans I'm thinking the possibility to prepare a Comenius project with students from different countries about the E-4 and GR-7 in Spain. Do you think that students 15-18 years old could walk any stages? Thanks in advance
Hi Gilberto
ReplyDeleteWhat a brilliant idea!
There is nothing on the E4/GR7 in Spain which is difficult in terms of walking and if your 15-18 year olds are at all interested in the outdoors they would easily cope with it. Nearly all the Spanish section is easy walking although some bits are more interesting than others. The big variant really is not the difficulty of the walking but the availability of accommodation - there is more accommodation on some parts of the trail than others.
If I can help in any way than please don't hesitate to contact me. I also have a Spanish friend, Juan Halgado, who is an expert everything to do with walking in Spain, and I'm sure he would be happy to advise you as well.
Best of luck
John
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI'm searching for a good hike, for already a couple of months. The problem is, I want to do this together with my dog. So, I can't do a lot of parts of the world. Asia, Africa, South America, every island, ...
For a long time I considered the Appalachian Trail in the USA. But when something happens to me or my dog, I would be in a lot of trouble. It's not easy at all to take your dog to the USA for such a long time.
So, now, I'm thinking about a backpacking trail in Europe. Eastern Europe is also not possible, because of the streetdogs over there. So my question is, if it would be possible to do this part of the E4 together with my dog? Forbidden national parks, footpaths to small in the mountains, etc, ...
Thanks,
Sam
Hi Sam
DeleteGood question Sam.
Because I don't have a dog I'm afraid I can only have a stab a the likely issues but I guess there are two - accommodation and how welcoming your hosts might be to dogs and secondly the countryside itself and what the dog challenges might be.
You could check with Austrian Alpine club but my guess is that dogs in mountain huts might not work so that might rule out the stretches of the E4 running through the Alps.
Both Spain and France seem to me be dog friendly countries and accommodation shouldn't be a problem there.
In terms of the countryside than an issue I found in Spain is that dogs are everywhere used to guard property. 99 per cent of the time they are locked away behind fences but they make a lot of noise and I guess if you have a dog with you this could make things worse. Occasionally the dogs are on the loose but with a pair of walking poles I was never threatened - again this might be different if you have a dog with you.
If you're looking for two months than the GR7 through Spain, the E4 in Spain (although don't follow it down to the coast), would be a good option.
Please come back to me if you have any further questions.
Best of luck
John
Hello John, my name is Rudi Holans, 47, and planning to hike part of the E4 trail in Central Greece or Penopolesus in May next year. You didn't pass their yet, but perhaps you have a lot of relevant information on the trail available and wanting to share it. Regards from a wet Belgium.
ReplyDeleteHi Rudi
DeleteNice to hear from you. If it's any consolation it's wet here in England as well.
Sorry but I'm afraid I don't have anything on the E4 in Central Greece. My next E4 project is Bulgaria and I should be able to publish something on that later this year but as yet I haven't looked at all at the E4 in Greece.
I assume that you have looked on the E4 link on the ERA website - http://www.era-ewv-ferp.com/index.php?topmenu_id=29&id=29&page_id=108&module=text - which at least tells you where to get the maps from.
Best of luck and keep in touch
John
Hi John -
ReplyDeleteThis is an amazing website- thanks for sharing so much of your journey. My husband and I are about to start a trek from Austria to Budapest and had a few questions for you. Is there somewhere we can send you a private message to ask you about your travels? We'd really appreciate your help!
Thanks,
Rebecca
Hi Rebecca
DeleteThanks for your comment about the website, very kind. Please send any specific questions to amithefirst@gmail.com - dodgy email address but seemed like a good idea at the time!
John
You're an inspiration John. My husband (65) and I (a very recent 60) will travel to Spain from Australia in April to walk the Camino de Santiago. It will be our first long distance walk and we're not sure how we'll go. The responses we get from friends are of pure admiration - they think we're "gutsy" and it's interesting to think of yourself in that light. Personally I think this will be a life's highlight and who knows one day we will be inspired to take a leaf from your book ... and keep walking.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing your story and advice.
Diana
Hi Diana
DeleteThank you very much for comment, very kind. I'm sure you'll have a great time, there will be lots of other hikers for you share your adventure with.
I'm travelling slightly further south along the GR1, going from west to east but parallel with the Camino starting in March, so be warned walking in Spain is addictive.
Best wishes
John
Here is some information on the E4 in Greece for the Peleponesus and Crete:
ReplyDeletehttp://frankrevelo.com/hiking/dest_eu_greece_peleponesus.htm
http://frankrevelo.com/hiking/dest_eu_greece_crete.htm
This is an overview of hiking in Greece, which will be useful for the E4 in mainland Greece. Because that involves high mountains (Pindos), you will probably have to wait until summer:
http://frankrevelo.com/hiking/dest_eu_greece.htm
The Mountains of Greece: A Walker's Guide by Tim Salmon (2006) also discusses the E4 in mainland Greece.
Thank very much for the links. The Crete section looks particularly tempting. Something to think about for my schedule in 2014.
DeleteBest wishes John Hayes
I want to hike the E4 in Spain in WINTER. The E4 will be part of a much longer hike through Europe and I will probably get to Spain in November/December. I have checked your website and it seems that you did not encounter any snow even in the Sierra Nevada in March on the Northern variant and none on the Southern variant in late October. Do you think the GR 7 is doable in December in the Sierras? Which variant would you suggest for winter hiking? Unfortunately the Cicerone guidebook is currently not available, but the good news is that the updated 2nd edition will come out in August.
ReplyDeleteYour website is a great source of information - thank you so much for all the work you have put into.
Christine
Hi Christine
DeleteThanks for your comment on the blog
There will be snow in the Sierra's in December. It started to snow on my last day in late October on the southern variant and there was a bit of snow left in March in Cazorla when I did the northern variant. What I don't know is how bad it will be in December particularly as neither of the two variants go right over the top.
I'm not sure what you do for accommodation - I always look for a bed and I suspect they will be harder to find in the winter as much of the accommodation is seasonal.
It will also be cold - nearly all of the GR7 is around 1,000 metres - and it gets cold at night.
On the variants the northern one is a lot wetter, some great bits on it but surprisingly you go through the wettest part of Spain.
If you want to talk to some real experts than contact one or both of the guys below. The first one - Juan Holgado - helped with the first Cicerone Guide and has become a great friend of mine. I'm walking with him along the GR1 through March.
http://juanholgado.com/
http://gr7deandorraatarifa.blogspot.co.uk
Hi, I ran across your blog and found it extremely interesting as I am leaving California for the UK and Europe on April 18th. My trip is completely open ended (as short as 6 months, as long as 5 years) and I want to do a combination of hiking/walking and WWOOFing my way across Europe several times.
ReplyDeleteI would like to plan my WWOOFing breaks around a long distance hike across Europe and choose farms located near or around the trails. Here is where I run into difficulty. I can't find any detailed topo or trail (walking) maps that cover any of Europe's long distance trails (i.e. "E-Trails").
If you have any advice or suggestions as to where I can locate these maps, books… I would be eternally grateful!
Thank you,
Sparkos
Hi Sparkos will come back to you when I get back from my current trip in a weeks time.
DeleteThanks for the comment
I am very interested in doing the E4 trail my self but am have extreme difficulty locating and detailed maps that cover the E4 or any of the other long distance European trails. Can you advise me in this matter?
ReplyDeleteHi Sparkos
DeleteBack home now from a trip to Spain can reply to your comment.
The "E" routes - the cross European trails - are all based on national trails and the quality of information available is dependent on the quality of information available at a national level. This varies a lot. So for example in Spain the E4 follows, for most of the time, the GR7 but in Spain the national trails are not marked on the maps. In France, Switzerland they are.
You can find out which national trails they follow by going to the European Ramblers Association web site at http://www.era-ewv-ferp.com/ - (although they use http://www.traildino.com/ as their information supplier.
On the blog I tried to describe where I got my information from for each country and have lots of detailed information. Once you have decided which route you want to do I might be able to advise you further so feel free to come back to me with additional questions.
Best of luck
John
Hi John. Just stumbled upon you website, and now I'm diving in to all the different entries you've made.. Can't wait to read more! Dreaming my day away here!
ReplyDeleteLove from Malene, DK
Hi John!
ReplyDeleteCongrats like a 100000000 times!! Wow.... I began to walk through the "Blue Way" in Hungary (Im a Hungarian).
I often saw the sign E4 and now I finally found out what it is about...
My dream is talk through the E1... but tell me, how much money did you collect to start your trip? Im afraid i can't calculate how much money should I save for begin this trip. Each country is different, staying somewhere safe, eating, money for emergency cases, etc.
Thanks,
Réka
Hi Réka
DeleteThanks for the comment.
I stayed in small hotels so I didn't do it in a particularly cheap way and your're right different countries cost different amounts. Hungary was the best value, then Spain. Germany, France and Austria about the same and Switzerland the worst. On average it was about 50 euroes a day. Christine aka German Tourist has commented on this blog, (see above) wild camps and does it on a budget of 12 euros a day. Hope that helps.
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteI'm at the beginning of planning to walk the GR7, E4, Starting from Tarifa in March 2015. Which GPX track to download ? I haven't found anthing near complete so far !
I'm hoping yo walk through to Autumn when the weather gets too cool
Regards, Terry Griffiths
Hi Terry - nice to hear from you. At the time my route was cobbled together from various sources, but better ones have emerged since. Manual, who I have never met but have been in touch with many times has a lot of information at - http://gr7deandorraatarifa.blogspot.co.uk/ - including GPX tracks. Juan, referred to in the comments above also has the whole trail - http://juanholgado.com. Finally you might also want to contact John at http://bowlandclimber.wordpress.com/ who has just walked the GR7 through Catalonia.
DeleteGood Luck!
Hi John, I fly to Malaga 15th March, on to Tarifa 17th, and start walking. I've friends at various points on the trail. 1st visit Castell de Castellar ! I'm making my 1st attempt at blogging - http://gr7-2015.blogspot.co.uk/
Deletewhere are you off to this year ?
Great to here that you are about to set off - good luck.
DeleteI'm on my first walk of the year at the moment, in the Fisherman's Trail heading south along the Portuguese coast, nice walk and great weather. Lots more trips planned including 2 more to Spain.
Great to here that you are about to set off - good luck.
DeleteI'm on my first walk of the year at the moment, in the Fisherman's Trail heading south along the Portuguese coast, nice walk and great weather. Lots more trips planned including 2 more to Spain.
Hey John.
ReplyDeleteMy partner and I are currently living in Bulgaria, but we are planning to walk from here back to the UK (exploring the countries we go to and detouring to Croatia, Italy and Spain) Do you have any advice, suggestions or online resources you could offer? Any help would be hugely appreciated.
Many thanks
Schuyler
Hi Schuyler
DeleteLots of information out there. A good starting point is the European Ramblers Association website http://www.era-ewv-ferp.com/ - and from there is a link to the Traildino website http://www.traildino.com/.
By the way there are some fabulous long distance cycle routes if you want to get here a bit quicker.
Best of luck
Hi John,
ReplyDeletei'm thinking about do this trail Budapest to Spain, but with bike
do you think the track is ok for cycling?
Thank you
To be honest I don't think it is, there is however a European cycling network, the Eurovelo network. Best of luck
DeleteTo be honest I don't think it is, there is however a European cycling network, the Eurovelo network. Best of luck
DeleteTo be honest I don't think it is, there is however a European cycling network, the Eurovelo network. Best of luck
DeleteHi John,
ReplyDeleteJust found your great blog, as I'm interested in doing the E4 from Tarifa to Bregenz (starting in April next year).
How long do you think does it take, at least? And do you think it might be possible/make sense to "skip" parts of the E4 and take faster paths (roads), to do it faster? (Because I won't have too much time).
It took me about me about 4 and half months. The part I would skip is the detour down to the coast in Northern Spain, stay on the GR8 and head straight to the border.
ReplyDeleteAlso I stayed in hotels etc, if you're wild camping you might, despite the extra weight walk slightly further.
Hope that helps
John
Thank you for that quick answer, it helped me ;)
DeleteI might ask one or two more things before I'll finally start.
Thank you
Paul
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteMy name is Tatsuya, working as a translator in Tokyo.
I love hiking myself, especially, long distance hikes.
I read your journals of E4 and they were very exciting. Currently I am making a website to introduce all sorts of hikers' experience to Japanese folks. And I wondered if it is OK to translate your articles into Japanese and introduce them on my website. I'm seriously working to make it a kind of portal site where people can find useful and exciting information about hiking and backpacking.
With every page, I will put your name and link to your website. This is my website: http://www.worldhikerslog.com
Please let me know what you think.
Tatsuya
Hi Tatsuya
DeleteSorry for the slow reply but I have been away. Your website looks great and yes you can use my content providing you make the link back to my blog. Good Luck!
Hi Tatsuya
DeleteSorry for the slow reply but I have been away. Your website looks great and yes you can use my content providing you make the link back to my blog. Good Luck!
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteI'm considering walking the E4 trail from Portugal to Budapest next year. The idea of taking on such a challenge is very exciting to me...the thing is, while I am reasonably fit and enjoy hiking/walking, I have never done anything even remotely similar to this before. So, I guess I am wondering if you think it would be achievable/safe for a 22 year old female to take on this challenge (solo). Also, how long did it take you to prepare/save for the trip?
Hi Hayley,
ReplyDeleteI think the route is safe but I'm a 60 year old man and I may not be the best qualified to comment. A couple of people of women who have walked chunks of it are Charmine at http://outofthewindowandintotheworld.blogspot.co.uk/ and Christine at http://www.christine-on-big-trip.blogspot.co.uk/. Christine is a veteran of some huge epic trips and I think is in her forties wheras Charmine is more your age. Both of them have been in touch with me and Charmine was on the trail a few weeks agao.
If you reasonably fit you should be fine. The key thing is to work into it slowly and try not to do too much at the beginning until you legs and feet have toughened. I'm sure if your camping and how much stuff you need to carry but it's really important to keep everything as light as possible.
Best of luck and keep in touch
John
Hi Hayley
DeleteA German gentleman has been in touch and is planning to walk the E4. He is interested in getting in touch with you. If you would like his contact details please get in touch. I'm on amithefirst@gmail.com. Best wishes John
Hi John, we're looking to spend two to three weeks in October on a trail, walking from hut to hut (without a tent). We usually walk in the alps, but this year October is the only time off we can get, so we need to find an alternative location. Perhaps you can recommend anything, based on the vast experience you have walking in Europe? Ideally we'd love to walk among big mountains and impressive vistas... cheers!
ReplyDeleteHi Chen
DeleteI think Spain is a good destination in October. The heat will have gone and it doesn't generally become unsettled there until November. You wouldn't be staying in mountain huts but the small hotels are great value. Think about the GR7 in either the Sierra Nevadas or Valencia or the GR1. You can find information on both of these walks if you look in the walking diaries section of my blog. There are different navigation problems in Spain to those in the Alps but I can explain how to resolve them if your interested.
Best wishes
John
Hi! This was a great read and sounds like a wonderful journey! I myself am planning a hike through part of the E1 or E5. My fiance and I want to hike from Germany to Switzerland. I know its a different part, but since you have some experience, I was wondering if you could answer some questions:
ReplyDeleteIs there any cost to use the trails? I've seen some places offer guided tours costing upwards of 800 pounds... I'm assuming we can just do it on our own, correct?
Also, my fiance has a peanut allergy. How is the food along the journey? Do you think it would be difficult to stay safe with a food allergy during the trek?
Thanks in advance!
Trekking on the routes themselves is free, there are no park fees or anything like that. There is an enormous choice of accommodation and I don't think you'll have a problem with allergies
DeleteHave a great walk
John
Trekking on the routes themselves is free, there are no park fees or anything like that. There is an enormous choice of accommodation and I don't think you'll have a problem with allergies
DeleteHave a great walk
John
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteHow was the water situation for you on the E4? Did you carry water filtration and get water where you could, or did you just carry enough to go from village to village? Where there any places that you struggled to find water?
There were enough villages to get water so it was never really a problem. I was walking quite early in the year because of the need to cross the Alps in the summer. Hope that helps.
DeleteJohn
Hi John
ReplyDeleteDo you think it is possible to run the whole trail all the way down to Cyprus in one year?? is trail well marked or you need maps with you??
lukasz
Hi Lukasz
ReplyDeleteGenerally speaking it's not marked as the E4, rather the E4 follows a series of national trails, for instance the GR7 in Spain. You can follow these linked national trails for as far as the border between Hungary and Romania. The last time I looked the route through Romania hadn't been worked out. You can then follow it through Bulgaria but it fizzles out a bit in Greece, although its good in Crete as well as Cyprus.
I didn't take maps but I plotted the route on a GPS, if you look at the blog above you can find the linked to the GPX files which you could then use to follow my route.
I reckon you could do it in a year, you would just need to be a little careful about when you set off.
Have a good trip
John
Hi John and Lukasz
DeleteWe walked the length of Greece from the northern border down to the Peloponnese port of Githion (jumping off point for Crete and the section of E4 there) in 2014. We followed the E4 some of the time, and also the E6 and local footpaths. Have a look at our website greekhiking.com for details and let me know if you'd like any more info. Greece is great hiking country, and maps are mostly good too.
All the best
Jane
dear john ,
ReplyDeletehuge thanks to you for a fantastic blog and website, i have found it invaluable help for planning my own trip from the alpujarras to sussex .. with my fiance and three horses ..we are getting married on the 2nd sept in Hurstpierpoint and have approx 3 and a half months to complete the 2000 mile aisle ..we plan to leave tomorrow ..u can find our blog at 2000mileaisle@blogspot.com ...keep doing what your doing mr Hayes your a good man ..thanks and best of luck for the future ..cheers mark
Nice to hear from you Mark. What a cool idea, best of luck with your trip. The Spanish will think you're a mad Englishman but they're used to them and appreciate them as well
DeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteI found your blog so useful in walking from Tarifa to Budapest, that I have continued it in a more modest way at www.johnpone4hungary.blogspot.co.uk should any of your readers be interested. I am currently planning to join up with the E4 route through Serbia planned by the Mountaineering Association of Serbia, given no Romanian route has materialised.
Thank you for all the assistance your blog has given me.
John P
Thanks John, reading your blog really brought back memories of my time in Hungary, if felt like a big country! Would be interested to hear about how you get on in Serbia, sounds like you've made a good connection. John
DeleteDear John,
ReplyDeleteI want to thank you heaps for your blog. Very helpful walking the E4/GR7 in Spain even 7 years later.
Currently in Ares del Maestre and soon leaving your footsteps to carry on on the GR7 in Catalonia and Andorra (thank you for being honest about the E4 in Catalonia), afterwards pause for a while and probably take the route up from Switzerland in July - looking forward to reading your blog & diaries as I'll proceed.
If you don't mind, I'll post some comments to help future walkers in the more detailed sections.
Yours sincerely,
Franz
Hi there Franz, thanks for you kind comments. Seven years is a long time but the memories are still vivid on what was a trip of a lifetime. Please comment as much as the like or better still send me some text and photos and I'll publish them as a blog. My email address is amithefirst@gmail.com
DeleteHi John,
ReplyDeleteI’m Jack, a 24 year-old Londoner. Thanks for what is a fascinating website. Really enjoyed reading about both your adventures and your advice for fellow hikers.
I'm planning on walking a part of the E4 / GR7 this Autumn. The difference is that I want to go southbound, starting in Catalonia in early October, and finishing in Murcia. I’ve done hiking in Scotland, France and Nepal so am familiar with the standard trials and tribulations (and thrills) of hiking, but have a couple of more trivial questions.
I guess before I start booking everything, I wanted to check a couple of things:
1) Have you heard of people doing it Southbound before?
2) Does starting in October and walking for ~ 6 weeks sound achievable? From a weather point of view…
3) I came across this blog, which looks super informative, but wasn’t sure if it was reliable?! http://gr7deandorraatarifa.blogspot.co.uk
Thank you very much.
Hi Jack
DeleteSounds like a really good plan. October is a good walking month in Spain although the weather gets wet in November. I know the website very well, shared correspondence with its author and used some of his GPX files on my trip. He has now followed the whole E4. Have a great trip and let me know you get on
John
Hi John
ReplyDeleteWow what a resource your website is! I am looking at doing a week's walking (wish it were longer) in Mid-late November. Was thinking of doing part of the Andalusian E4 route and wondered if you had any advice. Understand that if I do the Andalusian bit it is better to do northern branch as it is lower. Or would you recommend or perhaps another part of the E4 at that time of year? Are there areas which are less prone to wet weather? Will be carrying tent etc for wild camping. Thank you in advance for any advice. Matthew
Hi Matthew
DeleteThanks for your kind comment.
I would definitely go south, particularly in November. It is a little lower on the northern side but it can be very wet with some of the highest rainfall in the whole of Spain, particularly on the western end. It's nearly always dry on the southern side (although they are getting some rain at the moment I understand). It you go over the pass, as the route swings north, you could get some snow but apart from that you should be OK.
Good walking
John
Thanks John. As I am only going for a week (in effect 6 days of walking) would you recommend any particular part of the route? Or just starting in Tarifa? I would prefer as little road/towns/civilisation as possible although would need to have access to food shop a couple of times. Many thanks again.
ReplyDeleteHi there
DeleteThe walking out of Tarifa is very good, surprisingly remote, but with nice villages and towns to stop at each day. If you want to make walking the E4/GR7 a long term project than yes, start at the beginning.
John
Hi John
ReplyDeleteJust done an hours research and looking at starting at Bayarcal in Almeria and heading west to Lanjaron (flights seem a lot cheaper to Almeria than Granada). Looked at www.andalucia.com and it describes the route the from the other direction: "The route takes you to the highest paths in Spain, where the some snow can always be found - even in the hottest summer months. This demanding, mountain route through the Sierra Nevada Mountains of Granada ends at Bayarcal - at 1,255 meters, the highest village in the Province of Almería." Just wondered if 'demanding, mountain route' is advisable in mid-late November....
Hi there
DeleteYou can find my trip report for the southern route via the trip diaries section. I walked the route west to east starting in mid October and apart from crossing the pass at the end we had great weather. To be honest I don't recognise the description on www.andalucia.com, it wasn't that demanding. In general terms the weather gets wet in Spain in November but less so on the Southern side of the Sierra Nevada. There is a Cicerone guide for the route so why not check that.
John
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteMy plan is to walk from Geneva to Andorra this coming November. I imagine it will take me around 5 weeks.
What are your thoughts concerning the weather situation there at this time of the year and my time frame?
Thank you for providing this incredibly helpful information on your blog! What a gift for future hikers!
Have a beautiful Sunday!
Hi there
DeleteThanks for your kind comments about my blog
Your plan sounds tough to me. 5 weeks is a little faster than my schedule and in November the days will be shorter than when I walked this stretch (June).
On weather, its never that reliable but I would have thought that the risk of snow in the Vercors in particular is high November. You might be lucky but you are passing through ski resorts (in the Massif Central as well). Of course this doesn't rule things out but unless you're a experienced winter walker (I'm not) it could be dangerous.
Be safe!
John
Thank you so very much! Wishing you the best and many beautiful adventure to come!
DeleteI crossed Andorra on the GR7 in late June and there were still large patches of snow around the high passes (which reach 2800 metres), in November I would expect a lot more snow! The E4 actually goes around Andorra but as it follows the GR7 in France and Spain I used it as a scenic route across the Pyrenees.
DeleteHi John
ReplyDeleteI was wondering about how you went about finding accommodation on a long walk like the E4. I read above that you prefer to find a bed for the night rather than camp (us too!) Did you book a day or so in advance as you progressed, via the internet, or do you just turn up in a village and see what you can find? Do you carry a tent/sleeping-bag/mat, just in case you can't find accommodation? If so, how often did you need to use the tent on the E4? Just intrigued about your strategy for this, as we are considering doing some longer walks without booking all the accommodation in advance, which in theory leaves more flexibility for rest days, injury recovery etc.
BTW - we just got back from walking the Fisherman's Trail in Portugal. Thanks for your insights and tips on that! They were really helpful. Cracking walk!
With thanks
Dayn
Don't know about John (Hayes) but in walking the E4 my first means of finding accommodation is booking.com and to a lesser extent Airbnb (and in Hungary revngo.com). Its a lot easier booking on line than by telephone due to language difficulties. Next best way to find lodgings are the various guide books, internet descriptions of sections of the walk, Alpine association sites for mountain huts, Google maps and tourist information sites in that order. However they usually provide telephone numbers and e-mails addresses for which I have had mixed responses. As I am no good at languages success when phoning depends on whether they speak English. To avoid the problem I have often asked an English speaking receptionist at one hotel to ring ahead and reserve accommodation. Tourist Information offices will sometimes arrange reservations or ring up accommodation if you have the telephone number. E-mails often get no response even when I have used Google translate to provide a version in the local language.
DeleteTo provide flexibility I only book ahead a day or two, and where there are a few possible places to stay, or I am confident they will be open and have space, I just turn up on the day. This only works for places where there is someone on site, fine for hotels and accommodation attached to bars or restaurants, but no good for rented rooms and apartments. In Bulgaria I used a professional guide organisation to book the mountain huts for me (although I walked the E4 independently on my own).
Unlike John I carry a tent as there are stretches without accommodation. John avoided them (except for one night) by good research, diverting off route, some longs days and the use of taxis, but I find it easier to carry a lightweight tent and sleeping bag, it gives me peace of mind and more freedom, especially when walking in woods and mountains where a bit of wild camping goes unnoticed. The tent and sleeping bag only weigh around 3 kg, although in limestone areas with little surface water, you will need to add another 3 kg for water.
Hope this helps
Good advice John, although I didn't do it, I know lots of people wild camp and, in Spain in particular, it doesn't seem to cause a problem
DeleteJohn
For a short report about the E4 on Crete ( Greece) please visit https://www.oranginas.nl/en/hiking-trail/hiking-trails-greece .
ReplyDeleteOn this website you'll find many reports about long distance hiking trails in Europe.Not the "classical" ones, but the unknown but very beautiful trails.
Good luck you all!!
Hi John, I read Hayley's comment from a couple of years ago. I want to do the E4 as a retirement gift to myself. I will be 62. Has your perception changed from then as to the safety of the trail for women? Do you know if there is any place I could contact to find like minded walkers? Do you have a backpack list? Thank you very much!
ReplyDeleteHi there
DeleteNo I don't think anything's changed in terms of solo walking and the safety of the trail for women. The list of women solo walkers grows every year, not necessarily on this walk, but on other like long distance hikes I've written about (the 50 feaday GR1 featured elsewhere on this blog).
I'm a bit reluctant to say anything's totally safe. I was shaken by the death of a young man who had an accident in the Alps following a walk I recommended so bad things can happen if you're unlucky.
The backpack list depends on whether or not your camping. I slept in beds, carried about 6 kg and washed stuff at night. Basically a spare pair of everything.
Ms S
DeleteHave you read the blogs by other solo women walkers such as Christine Thurmer who has walked a lot of the E4 or Becs Band (websites
http://christine-on-big-trip.blogspot.com/ and https://www.theordinaryadventurer.com/category/adventure/walkingisrael/ )
John P
Hi John, many thanks for your blog and the detailed information about the trail. I will start from Tarifa next week. As my plan is to camp mainly I didn't have to walk so far daily :)
ReplyDeleteGood luck - have fun,
Ing Schnee
Hi Ing
ReplyDeleteGreat to hear from you and good luck. Good time to start, I'm very jealous!
John
Hi John
ReplyDeleteI'm looking to walk the entire E4, from Portugal to Cyprus, in one haul. I walked the whole GR-10 in one go, in 2017 and loved it, so am happy to undertake a truly epic journey, such as this. I've estimated it will take approx. one year and four months.
Do you think they'd be any considerations spending all that time on the continent (I'm from the UK) regarding the post-Brexit landscape: visas / maximum time spent in Europe in one go, etc? I'd really rather not have to break up the trip (or sneak across soft borders and get caught!)
Dan
Hi Dan
ReplyDeleteI'm not an expert on this but my reading of the visa requirements is that you can now only be in the EU for 90 days in any 6 months. I don't think you'll make it across Europe without showing your passport so I think the E4 in one go for anyone from the UK is now really difficult. We've been looking at some long distant cycling trips and the 90 day constraint is a problem for that as well.
I wouldn't base a decision on my advice though so suggest you look for some real expertise before finally making up your mind.
John
Hello john,
ReplyDeleteCan you please send me the GPX Files of the E4 trail?
I can no longer download them from the viewranger website.
Hi Gianni - no problems, email me at amithefirst@gmail.com and I will send you the files.
DeleteHi John,
ReplyDeleteI already contacted you again the thru-hike we planned for this year. So, Thru-hike is no longer an option. We are planning it now in 3 parts.
Details you can find on www.hikinge4.com
We did put the link from your trip on it.
Regards
Richard
Hi John! Thank you for your blog! In 2022 I walked the E4 in Bulgaria, thanks to your blog I was well prepared.
ReplyDeleteSo, if one would want to walk the entire E4 in one go, how long do u estimate it‘ll take? 1,5yrs?
John Pucknell has done it in stages and it's all documented in his book Six Pairs of Boots: Spain to Cyprus on the E4 Trail. It took him 440 days, not bad I reckon.
DeleteOne go would present some additional challenges, could you avoid winter in the mountains being the most obvious one.
How would you do it?